Comments on: A Hopeful Idea: The End of Checked Exceptions? http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/ Johannes Brodwall's Musings on Software Architecture and Programming Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:43:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.3 By: Trond Arve Wasskog http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-84320 Trond Arve Wasskog Tue, 26 Jun 2007 05:31:39 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-84320 Hear hear! Checked exceptions is an abomination. Vote now! Hear hear! Checked exceptions is an abomination. Vote now!

]]> By: Thomas Kjeldahl Nilsson http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-84321 Thomas Kjeldahl Nilsson Tue, 26 Jun 2007 06:13:00 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-84321 *Voted* <br>Checked exceptions = one of the more annoying java quirks after I got back into other languages on a daily basis. "Why do I have to deal with this crap?" *Voted*
Checked exceptions = one of the more annoying java quirks after I got back into other languages on a daily basis. “Why do I have to deal with this crap?”

]]> By: Trond Arve Wasskog http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-7475 Trond Arve Wasskog Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:31:39 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-7475 Hear hear! Checked exceptions is an abomination. Vote now! Hear hear! Checked exceptions is an abomination. Vote now!

]]> By: Thomas Kjeldahl Nilsson http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-7478 Thomas Kjeldahl Nilsson Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:13:00 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-7478 *Voted* Checked exceptions = one of the more annoying java quirks after I got back into other languages on a daily basis. "Why do I have to deal with this crap?" *Voted*
Checked exceptions = one of the more annoying java quirks after I got back into other languages on a daily basis. “Why do I have to deal with this crap?”

]]> By: Sverre H. Huseby http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-84322 Sverre H. Huseby Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:05:04 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-84322 As I tend to do what Johannes says, I just voted. As I tend to do what Johannes says, I just voted.

]]> By: Sverre H. Huseby http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-7506 Sverre H. Huseby Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:05:04 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-7506 As I tend to do what Johannes says, I just voted. As I tend to do what Johannes says, I just voted.

]]> By: Tomas Ekeli http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-84323 Tomas Ekeli Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:59:28 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-84323 You make good points, in a shout-it-from-the-mountains kind of way. I don't agree with you, but you make good points. You make good points, in a shout-it-from-the-mountains kind of way. I don't agree with you, but you make good points.

]]> By: Johannes Brodwall http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-84324 Johannes Brodwall Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:06:14 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-84324 Hi, Tomas<br><br>Thanks for the comment and for the kind words. I take it that you have a different experience? I understand from your blog that you also program .NET Maybe you have a good story on what kind of problems you run into that would've been avoided with checked exceptions? Hi, Tomas

Thanks for the comment and for the kind words. I take it that you have a different experience? I understand from your blog that you also program .NET Maybe you have a good story on what kind of problems you run into that would've been avoided with checked exceptions?

]]> By: Tomas Ekeli http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-84325 Tomas Ekeli Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:14:00 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-84325 Yes, indeed. You did give me an idea for a post :) Yes, indeed. You did give me an idea for a post :)

]]> By: Tomas Ekeli http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-7530 Tomas Ekeli Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:59:28 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-7530 You make good points, in a shout-it-from-the-mountains kind of way. I don't agree with you, but you make good points. You make good points, in a shout-it-from-the-mountains kind of way. I don’t agree with you, but you make good points.

]]> By: Johannes Brodwall http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-7531 Johannes Brodwall Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:06:14 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-7531 Hi, Tomas Thanks for the comment and for the kind words. I take it that you have a different experience? I understand from your blog that you also program .NET Maybe you have a good story on what kind of problems you run into that would've been avoided with checked exceptions? Hi, Tomas

Thanks for the comment and for the kind words. I take it that you have a different experience? I understand from your blog that you also program .NET Maybe you have a good story on what kind of problems you run into that would’ve been avoided with checked exceptions?

]]> By: Tomas Ekeli http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-7539 Tomas Ekeli Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:14:00 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-7539 Yes, indeed. You did give me an idea for a post :) Yes, indeed. You did give me an idea for a post :)

]]> By: Tor Bådshaug http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-84326 Tor Bådshaug Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:42:14 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-84326 I couldn't agree more, I think checked exception promotes bad code, like the buggy or "noisy" catch blocks mentioned.<br>Also, to my experience, when repeatedly faced with the annoying "catch or throw"-complains from the compiler, most developers tend to find the quickest device to make those annoyances go away, such as an empty catch-block (ugh) or just use a throws declaration.<br><br>Speaking about throws declarations - you can choose whether to make them specific or general. Specific will tend to be implementation dependent, which is problematic for loosely coupled, interface-based architectures (as discussed here <a href="http://radio.weblogs.com/0122027/stories/2003/04/01/JavasCheckedExceptionsWereAMistake.html">http://radio.weblogs.com/0122027/stories/2003/0...</a>). It also raises versioning and compability issues.<br><br>General throws declarations (like throws Exception) just defeats the concept. That's like implicit anyway if they were unchecked in the first place.<br><br>Most definitely a vote from me! I couldn't agree more, I think checked exception promotes bad code, like the buggy or “noisy” catch blocks mentioned.
Also, to my experience, when repeatedly faced with the annoying “catch or throw”-complains from the compiler, most developers tend to find the quickest device to make those annoyances go away, such as an empty catch-block (ugh) or just use a throws declaration.

Speaking about throws declarations - you can choose whether to make them specific or general. Specific will tend to be implementation dependent, which is problematic for loosely coupled, interface-based architectures (as discussed here http://radio.weblogs.com/0122027/stories/2003/0…). It also raises versioning and compability issues.

General throws declarations (like throws Exception) just defeats the concept. That's like implicit anyway if they were unchecked in the first place.

Most definitely a vote from me!

]]> By: Tor Bådshaug http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-7571 Tor Bådshaug Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:42:14 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-7571 I couldn't agree more, I think checked exception promotes bad code, like the buggy or "noisy" catch blocks mentioned. Also, to my experience, when repeatedly faced with the annoying "catch or throw"-complains from the compiler, most developers tend to find the quickest device to make those annoyances go away, such as an empty catch-block (ugh) or just use a throws declaration. Speaking about throws declarations - you can choose whether to make them specific or general. Specific will tend to be implementation dependent, which is problematic for loosely coupled, interface-based architectures (as discussed here http://radio.weblogs.com/0122027/stories/2003/04/01/JavasCheckedExceptionsWereAMistake.html). It also raises versioning and compability issues. General throws declarations (like throws Exception) just defeats the concept. That's like implicit anyway if they were unchecked in the first place. Most definitely a vote from me! I couldn’t agree more, I think checked exception promotes bad code, like the buggy or “noisy” catch blocks mentioned.
Also, to my experience, when repeatedly faced with the annoying “catch or throw”-complains from the compiler, most developers tend to find the quickest device to make those annoyances go away, such as an empty catch-block (ugh) or just use a throws declaration.

Speaking about throws declarations - you can choose whether to make them specific or general. Specific will tend to be implementation dependent, which is problematic for loosely coupled, interface-based architectures (as discussed here http://radio.weblogs.com/0122027/stories/2003/04/01/JavasCheckedExceptionsWereAMistake.html). It also raises versioning and compability issues.

General throws declarations (like throws Exception) just defeats the concept. That’s like implicit anyway if they were unchecked in the first place.

Most definitely a vote from me!

]]> By: Bjørn Bjerkeli http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-84327 Bjørn Bjerkeli Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:43:04 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-84327 Hi have been arguing for a long time, and I think most of us (that actually program i java, not just read articles bout it) agree that checked exceptions ar bad. Pretty disappointing to see however how the poll acually goes in favor of keeping them.<br><br>It seems that one of the major problems that the java-community is facing, is that devlopers tend to argue in favor of something that seems to be good in theory but that doesn't necessarily work in practice. We need to keep this in mind, and we need write code and read code to actually understand this. Hi have been arguing for a long time, and I think most of us (that actually program i java, not just read articles bout it) agree that checked exceptions ar bad. Pretty disappointing to see however how the poll acually goes in favor of keeping them.

It seems that one of the major problems that the java-community is facing, is that devlopers tend to argue in favor of something that seems to be good in theory but that doesn't necessarily work in practice. We need to keep this in mind, and we need write code and read code to actually understand this.

]]> By: Bjørn Bjerkeli http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-7796 Bjørn Bjerkeli Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:43:04 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/06/25/a-hopeful-idea-the-end-of-checked-exceptions/#comment-7796 Hi have been arguing for a long time, and I think most of us (that actually program i java, not just read articles bout it) agree that checked exceptions ar bad. Pretty disappointing to see however how the poll acually goes in favor of keeping them. It seems that one of the major problems that the java-community is facing, is that devlopers tend to argue in favor of something that seems to be good in theory but that doesn't necessarily work in practice. We need to keep this in mind, and we need write code and read code to actually understand this. Hi have been arguing for a long time, and I think most of us (that actually program i java, not just read articles bout it) agree that checked exceptions ar bad. Pretty disappointing to see however how the poll acually goes in favor of keeping them.

It seems that one of the major problems that the java-community is facing, is that devlopers tend to argue in favor of something that seems to be good in theory but that doesn’t necessarily work in practice. We need to keep this in mind, and we need write code and read code to actually understand this.

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